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they were complex narratives of being

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taken by alien beings into UFOs on beams

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the Air Force is trying to cover up with

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from my own point of view I'm going to

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be very disappointed if UFOs turn out to

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be nothing more than visitors from

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another planet because I think there

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welcome back to disclosure team I'm your

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host Vinnie Adams

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this is a pre-recorded interview with

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Ryan Robbins AKA UFO Jesus AKA post

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disclosure world

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enjoy

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all right Ryan thank you so much for

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being here I really appreciate it it's

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my pleasure and honor thank you Vinnie

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no worries

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um I think initially you know I'd love

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to just know a bit about your background

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and where you started in this subject

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that we're also uh dedicated to

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researching

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yeah so I mean the UAP issue always

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intrigued me

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I can't give you a precise answer as to

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I started looking into this because I

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honestly don't remember

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um but I was introduced to it probably

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pretty young from documentaries what

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which ones I don't know

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and I always perceive that we are being

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lied to by the US government on this

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issue

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and so what escalated my interest in

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this issue to where I got much more

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serious about it

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is the October 11 2017 press conference

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by to the Stars Academy when I saw

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from Lockheed Martin Skunk Works

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with high level clearances how put off

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scientists engineer then you had the

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high level CIA guy Jim semivan

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and then of course you had Luis Elizondo

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and I remember keenly when he was on

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stage and he was behind the podium and

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he said it was in this position position

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being the head of atip that I learned

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that the phenomena is indeed real

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at that moment I knew the world would

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never go back to the way it was and I'm

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I'm just going to put it out there I'm

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sure that a lot of cynics would have

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probably told me that I'm naive and and

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foolish for thinking that if they would

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have been there with me at the point

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time right but I was right because five

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years later this is still going on and I

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don't think it's going to desist anytime

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soon in fact I don't think it's ever

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going to desist and so it was the to the

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Stars Academy press conference that lit

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a fire underneath me and then I think it

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was about three weeks later that I

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started uploading regularly and I

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haven't stopped since I would have

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uploaded immediately after but I was

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involved in something else where I

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didn't have the time so it was about

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three weeks after that and I've been

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obsessed ever since simply because

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number one um I perceive we're not alone

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in the universe we're being engaged by

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non-human intelligence and number two

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this is looking like it's going to be a

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consensus reality in the not too distant

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future so I don't know what's more if

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there's anything more exciting than that

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um I think I came from a similar

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background just absorbing so many

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documentaries on the subject

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um and for me that just wasn't enough I

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needed to go further and dig deeper so I

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really resonate with that and you

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mentioned in their non-human

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intelligence uh in the in the Years

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where we've heard many different

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possibilities about what they are or

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where they may come from be it

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interdimensional and many many more

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what sort of sits top of your list

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currently out of any of those if you if

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you had one yeah well I mean one of the

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most fascinating components of the

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phenomenon

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or phenomena to be more accurate because

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one thing right is its ability

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to infiltrate our world

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to be seen on literally a daily basis

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sky and they think they saw a UFO I'm

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for my analysis

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every single 24-hour period there are

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human beings on this planet who are

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seeing unambiguous UAP whether they're

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flying saucers or cigar-shaped vehicles

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or spheres or triangles or what have you

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now what's really fascinating is how is

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institutions are scientists

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are saying that it's all baloney how is

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that possible

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some people would say that's

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happenstance I don't think so I think I

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know like I could be wrong but I think

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that's intentional

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so whatever this is It's So Advanced

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that it's able to allow its presence to

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be seen on a regular persistent basis

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while simultaneously having so much of

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the world's population denies existence

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which is inherently bizarre

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uh why is it doing that well I have a

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theory on that but maybe we can go back

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into that later but to answer your

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it seems to me that whatever this is has

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the capability to ensure that it was

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never really detected too much if it

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wanted to be

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like if you cloak as much as it wanted

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to I I presume I mean if you look at for

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example Ryan Graves did a interview

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recently on the concrete podcast and he

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talked about how multiple sensors would

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pick these things up off the Eastern

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seaboard

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and he'd get in proximity to them where

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you would think he'd be able to perceive

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them through your eyes they don't see

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anything so it appears they're cloaking

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themselves uh which in the UFO report

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um uh Signal Management but it's stealth

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and it's stealth on a very high level

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where you can't even see these objects

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that they are Aboriginal to the Earth

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that they are they developed on the

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earth like we did just maybe

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uh maybe under the oceans or uh you know

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maybe their their existence is on

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another timeline where we we exist in

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the present moment

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but they're they exist in another

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component of time where time may be much

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more uh wide spectrum than how we

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experience it but they're still inherent

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so I'm very impressed with that

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hypothesis that they're Aboriginal to

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the Earth

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but on the other hand they could be it

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uh interdimensional whatever that means

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but what partly what fascinates me the

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most is whether it's a single origin or

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multiple Origins it's amazing that

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they've all seen seem to have

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determined to keep their manifestation

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very fine-tuned to where people are

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seeing them

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um even militaries picking them up

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on a much higher level than the civilian

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components of of the world but yet a

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Smoking Gun still never seems to emerge

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in a public way how is that possible

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that's because there is no Smoking Gun

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and it's all misidentifications it's all

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um LARPing and gullible analysis and

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people thinking they saw something when

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they didn't I don't I don't think that's

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true at all I think that's a poor

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analysis and I think that the future

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will bear that out

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um so we're either dealing with one

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origin like it's extraterrestrial or

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multiple origins or even if it's

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extraterrestrial it could be many

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different species but what one of the

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realities of this presence that blows my

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mind is how they're all working together

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to ensure that a public Smoking Gun

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never emerges how is that even possible

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I mean look at the if you just just look

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at all of the um alleged crashes that

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have taken place or even not necessarily

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just a crash because I know like and I'm

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skeptical of the babazar story but

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nevertheless

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he did say that he seemed to perceive

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that

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a hold of these saucers it was an

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excavation so whether it's an excavation

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we're dealing with or crashes and

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excavations how is this manifesting

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with it not leaking into the public and

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you know maybe my maybe my tinfoil hats

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wrapped around my head too tight but

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that these these These intelligences are

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using some sort of mind-blowing

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artificial intelligence

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where they're trying to manipulate our

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psychology they're trying to manipulate

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our evolution

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because how how is it that thousands of

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sightings are happening every day

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potentially and periodically

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um they're crashing or being discovered

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and being being studied and yet we still

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have this dichotomy persisting in the

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world of

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most of us believe there's no Smoking

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Gun our institutions don't don't even

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give give Credence to to this phenomenon

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and yet it's so

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um pervasive in our world in our skies

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in our oceans detected by submarines

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detected by Radars NORAD detected by

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satellites detected by uh secret UAP

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programs that haven't come to light yet

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in the United States and maybe in other

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countries detected coming in out of the

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oceans potentially by these secret UAP

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programs such as that that are like uh

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have a lot more evidence and a lot more

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funding than OSAP or atip ever did

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how is this happening it seems to over

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it seems too far-fetched for this to be

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some kind of anomaly that keeps

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happening over and over again where it's

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just so pervasive and yet this this this

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dichotomy is still persists where where

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so many people on this planet don't

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believe it's real our institutions don't

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believe it's real to me this seems to

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suggest and I could be wrong and

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statistically you could make a very good

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argument that I'm probably wrong but

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from my subjective mentality and

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interpretation this seems to suggest

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that we are being manipulated on a level

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that is unfathomable using technology we

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we came in wrap our heads around in the

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same way that if you took an iPhone and

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you brought it to to

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Medieval Time

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prior to showing them that iPhone they

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may not even be able to wrap their head

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around that technology right so

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something seems to be going on to where

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we're being manipulated and in my alien

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AI hypothesis

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I hypothesize playfully

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that they wanted governments to cover it

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up

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so if you wanted governments to cover it

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up what would be one of the best methods

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to do that in my opinion

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um allowing them to attain actual

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Technologies from these other

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intelligence would be because the second

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the American government or other

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governments get it

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knowing their capabilities now they see

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it through the lens of military uh

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capabilities and so they they would be

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especially during the Cold War which is

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when which is when um the Roswell event

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that allegedly happened took place

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I I just feel like governments were

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baited into into getting paranoid and

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covering this up and maybe if you want

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to take a very optimistic perspective

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maybe they are helping us

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because what's going to happen when we

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get disclosure what if what if they've

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been

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um sort of manipulating us and creating

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this incredible fine-tuning

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so that decades would pass where

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governments would lie to their populace

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But ultimately culminating in disclosure

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so what would that uh that that

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finality

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Encompass that that climax if you will

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for one we'd all start questioning our

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own governments do they have too much

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power we'd start questioning their

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policies we would start questioning

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everything they've done because if

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they've been lying to us about this what

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else have they been lying to us

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potentially and should we start being

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more skeptical about the decisions they

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make whether it comes to war or

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otherwise and then you would also have a

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humbling on a a civilization level

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because now we're going to be looking at

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our great institutions our great

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scientists and scientific community and

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be like what were you doing for the past

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70 years so now all of a sudden we have

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all these Kooks and you can I'll be one

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of them I'm a kook right so so be it

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that we're right about this

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about the greatest discovery in human

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history but the people that should have

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been most obsessed with it and doing the

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actual work to learn what's going on

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they ignored it so it's just like this

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big explosion of humility that is going

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to Encompass the entire Earth on so many

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different levels and it may be it may be

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that

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which leads to the human species

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taking a different turn if you will that

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leads to more peace more humility uh

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more civility

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the qualities that are conducive to more

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cooperation less violence less pettiness

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um and and less of the problems that we

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that our our psychology is so prone to

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so which this all falls under the

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umbrella of my alien AI hypothesis

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which I so so

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I'm just very suspicious that some

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because I I came up with an axiom a

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while back I don't remember it exactly

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it's it's uh I started in a video but

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basically it goes like this the more

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advanced a a species becomes or

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civilization becomes the less random

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everything they do and the more the more

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preemptive everything they do is so if

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you have at your disposal incredible

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artificial intelligence

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why would you not use it if if our

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species was visiting other worlds and

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studying them and we knew from

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experience that that civilizations can

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go south real quick with their

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technological development Would we not

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be like okay we want to steer this

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civilization in a positive direction so

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let's go to our little artificial

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intelligence machine and maybe maybe

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create some kind of um dichotomy like

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we're experiencing now

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where we make it so that that it's very

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obvious to much of the population that

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we exist

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but we we bait governments into lying

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about it

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and we we we present ourselves in a way

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in which

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the the great institutions may deny its

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reality so so so it's plausible that

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what we're dealing with has dealt with

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Civilizations for millions of years or

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hundreds of thousands of years they've

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seen us right they've seen us not us

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specifically but they've seen our

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species

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in terms of where we are in our

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development many many iterations on

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other planets so they may have figured

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out over a long span of time what it

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takes to subtly manipulate and steer a

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civilization in a direction for which

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they are going to be less harmful to to

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the to themselves into their planet and

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will div and so getting them to develop

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so I kind of feel like maybe

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what we're dealing with is using this

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kind of artificial intelligence to game

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plan us on a level that we can't even

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comprehend

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and is trying to steer us in a Direction

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to where we will change the course we're

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on which is all the more important when

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you when you have much greater

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technology

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so this may so in some to some extent

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culminate with disclosure and that the

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disclosure

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will will be a turning point for human

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psychology human culture human

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philosophy the government human

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relationship

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and It ultimately theoretically could

427
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save our save us from ourselves now this

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is a very optimistic model that that

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I've come to and it could be completely

430
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wrong it might be a lot I mean this may

431
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be completely wrong but it's something I

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like to play with and something I like

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to contemplate no I appreciate that and

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I'm quite an optimistic person myself

435
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naturally so I relate to that

436
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um when it comes to crash retrievals

437
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we've heard over the years many times

438
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that people talk about reverse

439
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engineering programs that mastered

440
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anti-gravity technology back in the 50s

441
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but then on the other side of things we

442
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hear that the technology is brought out

443
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every 10 years they they have a go at

444
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trying to reverse engineer it and then

445
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they can't so they put it back and when

446
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I think about it I'm more likely to kind

447
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of go with the latter

448
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um I'd just be interested to see what

449
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you think of that

450
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yeah if I heard you correctly I think I

451
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go with the ladder too I mean this is

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the way I see it

453
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at the end of the day you're dealing

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with corporations yeah whether it's

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Lockheed or Boeing right just like

456
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Walmart or Amazon right now I I'm not

457
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trying to belittle them they do good

458
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work for National Security

459
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uh there's a lot of criticisms to be

460
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made toward them as well

461
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um nothing in life is is generally black

462
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and white but if you have a technology

463
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that well it can go both ways because

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now that I'm thinking about when I when

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I spoke to uh Omega point it can go both

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ways there's a there's a lot of

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interesting arguments there

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but um so it's it's all speculation but

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I tend to think that um

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I tend to think that it would have made

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it into industry by now

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if um if they would have cracked gravity

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it would have made it an industry

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somehow like

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you know you could argue that well

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they don't want to go there because

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they're making more money by

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persistently creating slightly better

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aircraft as an example now we have that

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16. now we have the F-22 now we have the

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F-35 now we have we had the we had the

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um whatever with us the previous model

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of the stealth bomber now you have the

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B2 Raider you could you could go down

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that route but I tend to think that um

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and they may be doing something like

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that right they may purposely not try to

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upgrade as quickly as they can just like

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with the iPhone

490
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iPhones keep coming out they may have

491
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like an iPhone that's five years ahead

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of now they don't want to come out with

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that they want to keep coming up with

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new iterations before that so they can

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make as much money that still may be

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part of the equation

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but I tend to think that if they truly

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cracked it uh it would have made its way

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in the industry some way or somehow

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um like I'll just give you an example

501
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let's say you know Vladimir Putin

502
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cracked um anti-gravity does anyone

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believe for even a split second that he

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would sit on that and not use it for his

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his whatever he wants to achieve or

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China well you know I'm not sure the

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United States is so different in that

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respect uh I certainly you know I don't

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I we we have greater freedoms and I

510
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think we are we have a better um the

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United States and many many Western and

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free countries have have a better

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governmental system but yet

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if you have something on that level do

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you really not use it when you're going

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to war

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I'm a little skeptical that I think you

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use whatever you got right if it's if

519
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it's fully functioning

520
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and fully capable you don't just you

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don't just not use it you use it you you

522
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definitely use it

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um

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and that's kind of where I come from all

525
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that so but I do think they have I think

526
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it's very plausible they've recovered

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craft

528
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but I think it's more likely that it's a

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situation where it's just so advanced

530
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that they've not been able to replicate

531
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it in a in a sufficient way to actually

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start using it

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in any any

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um meaningful way yeah

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and now recently we obviously got the

536
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much delayed UAP report 2022 but um

537
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obviously that was due to release on

538
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October 31st and around that time we

539
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started seeing these articles we had the

540
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uh Julian Barnes the Holman Jenkins that

541
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were really kind of seem to be going

542
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against the UAP subject and that's

543
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probably not the right phrase to use but

544
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it seemed that they were preempting

545
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something to try and

546
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I don't know muddy the waters or

547
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whatever and I'd like to hear your views

548
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on on what was going on there I think I

549
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recall George Knapp saying that one of

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the reasons they might have done this is

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is to

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discourage other news outlets from

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covering it right

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by preempting it and saying well no it's

555
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just gonna all be gonna be a nothing

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Burger

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because if you if you look at the New

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York Times for example

559
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when the December 16 2017 New York Times

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article that kind of

561
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,440
started this whole thing you could argue

562
00:21:41,570 --> 00:21:39,600
that gave permission to all these other

563
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:41,580
Publications whether it was the

564
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,200
Washington Post

565
00:21:47,570 --> 00:21:45,600
uh or others I mean every every other

566
00:21:51,409 --> 00:21:47,580
publication followed to to follow it

567
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:51,419
right so it could be that some people in

568
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:58,430
trying to water it all down so that

569
00:22:03,649 --> 00:21:59,760
other Publications would kind of back

570
00:22:05,330 --> 00:22:03,659
off as a form of of subtle pushback if

571
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,340
you will yeah I think that might have

572
00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:07,200
been going on

573
00:22:12,169 --> 00:22:09,900
um there are as I understand it people

574
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:12,179
in the Pentagon who really do not want

575
00:22:17,450 --> 00:22:13,760
this to come out

576
00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:17,460
and they're very motivated uh and so

577
00:22:22,610 --> 00:22:20,940
while I think it's ultimately a futile

578
00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:22,620
effort

579
00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:24,120
um

580
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:25,740
well I think it's ultimately a futile

581
00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:26,880
effort

582
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,100
I um I think there might be something

583
00:22:32,930 --> 00:22:30,960
like that going on because if you look

584
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,940
at

585
00:22:36,649 --> 00:22:34,799
as far as like Julian Barnes article in

586
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,659
New York Times

587
00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:38,640
it seems like he was off the mark right

588
00:22:42,590 --> 00:22:40,440
I mean it

589
00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:42,600
he was talking about like

590
00:22:47,690 --> 00:22:45,240
the idea if I recollect correctly that

591
00:22:49,549 --> 00:22:47,700
maybe the gimbal or the Fleur one was

592
00:22:51,950 --> 00:22:49,559
like an optical illusion

593
00:22:53,149 --> 00:22:51,960
as if the as if hinting two or two it

594
00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:53,159
was going to get debunked on some level

595
00:22:58,130 --> 00:22:55,740
well lo and behold we get the uh we

596
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,140
finally do get the the UFO report they

597
00:23:01,490 --> 00:23:00,000
weren't debunked at all not even

598
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:01,500
remotely

599
00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:02,159
um

600
00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:04,620
and and while I I was disappointed with

601
00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:07,020
the most recent UFO report

602
00:23:13,010 --> 00:23:09,900
this the the reality Still Remains that

603
00:23:15,289 --> 00:23:13,020
it was maintaining this enigma

604
00:23:17,690 --> 00:23:15,299
it was not casting it in a light where

605
00:23:20,210 --> 00:23:17,700
we could all go home and kind of go like

606
00:23:22,730 --> 00:23:20,220
that it was casting it in a light that

607
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:22,740
bruh there's still stuff out there that

608
00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:25,080
appears to have unusual flight

609
00:23:30,169 --> 00:23:26,580
characteristics that we don't understand

610
00:23:31,850 --> 00:23:30,179
so while disappointing

611
00:23:34,490 --> 00:23:31,860
um it definitely is keeping this

612
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,500
momentum going forward uh so that's what

613
00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:36,000
I would basically have to say about that

614
00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:38,460
yeah and it seems that the gimbal like

615
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,500
you mentioned there that it's still very

616
00:23:44,570 --> 00:23:42,480
much an ongoing conversation from from

617
00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:44,580
both sides from people that genuinely do

618
00:23:48,529 --> 00:23:46,200
believe that it's something anomalous to

619
00:23:50,990 --> 00:23:48,539
people that are almost certain in their

620
00:23:53,149 --> 00:23:51,000
beliefs that it's uh quite prosaic and

621
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,159
you mentioned the the Ryan Graves

622
00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:54,960
interviewing on concrete and I believe

623
00:24:00,289 --> 00:23:56,760
in that interview he also states that

624
00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:00,299
there is a third video uh showing more

625
00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:03,000
strange wobbling effects of this of this

626
00:24:07,130 --> 00:24:04,260
gimbal I mean

627
00:24:09,529 --> 00:24:07,140
is that with that fall under your

628
00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:09,539
Smoking Gun let's say uh maybe not of

629
00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:11,880
the whole of disclosure but yeah what do

630
00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:13,140
you think would happen if that came out

631
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,700
in the conversation

632
00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:16,320
to be perfectly Frank I think it's a

633
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:19,080
Smoking Gun which uh which bothers me

634
00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:20,640
I think the floor ones are smoking gun

635
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:22,440
too and what I mean by that what we've

636
00:24:26,270 --> 00:24:25,440
been given not a Smoking Gun but do I

637
00:24:29,390 --> 00:24:26,280
think

638
00:24:32,270 --> 00:24:29,400
that the most powerful uh Navy in the

639
00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:32,280
entire world with satellite systems and

640
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,260
all kinds of sensors some classifieds

641
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,000
some not in other words some we don't

642
00:24:40,850 --> 00:24:38,240
even know about do I think they've

643
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:40,860
attain enough

644
00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:43,440
um data

645
00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:46,679
to rule out foreign governments

646
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:48,840
yes yes I do

647
00:24:54,289 --> 00:24:52,260
um I I don't know that I I I'm but it's

648
00:24:56,510 --> 00:24:54,299
it's my perception

649
00:24:58,669 --> 00:24:56,520
and in that interview you just cited

650
00:25:00,890 --> 00:24:58,679
like Ryan Graves said himself there's so

651
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,900
much more data out there even even just

652
00:25:06,049 --> 00:25:03,120
from like I think it was just from the

653
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,059
the radar on the F-18 you know let alone

654
00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:08,880
what other big uh sensor collecting

655
00:25:12,289 --> 00:25:10,260
mechanisms the United States government

656
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,299
has so

657
00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:14,640
the the we're being lied to you know

658
00:25:18,169 --> 00:25:16,440
let's just let's just call what it is I

659
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:18,179
think Stephen Bassett likes to call it

660
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,220
like we need to be lied to to get out of

661
00:25:25,549 --> 00:25:22,799
a lie it's kind of what he says because

662
00:25:28,190 --> 00:25:25,559
if if they do know we're not alone

663
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:28,200
and and they have so much sensor data to

664
00:25:35,090 --> 00:25:31,740
to objectively ascertain that this is

665
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,100
just not coming from China Russia well

666
00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:36,960
the way they're presenting the material

667
00:25:42,830 --> 00:25:40,500
in the UFO reports just as an example is

668
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,840
it's not in alignment with the level of

669
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,120
certainty that they have that we are not

670
00:25:51,289 --> 00:25:47,279
dealing with adversaries

671
00:25:52,850 --> 00:25:51,299
um are they are they going too far with

672
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,860
the idea that well you know it could be

673
00:25:56,450 --> 00:25:54,480
a one in a hundred thousand chance that

674
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,460
this is China and Russia So based upon

675
00:26:00,590 --> 00:25:58,559
that we're just going to say appeared

676
00:26:02,750 --> 00:26:00,600
appear appear appear appears to be

677
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,760
flying unusually appears to do this

678
00:26:05,649 --> 00:26:04,080
appears to do that because there's

679
00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:05,659
always that

680
00:26:10,730 --> 00:26:09,000
infinitesimal probability that China

681
00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:10,740
came up with

682
00:26:15,289 --> 00:26:13,799
uh leapfrogging technology even though

683
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:15,299
their budgets weigh less than United

684
00:26:19,850 --> 00:26:17,880
States even though we're spying on them

685
00:26:22,190 --> 00:26:19,860
constantly but it just went under the

686
00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:22,200
radar everybody nobody knew about this

687
00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:23,400
project right

688
00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:26,820
nobody knew about their uh Area 51

689
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:29,159
equivalent producing this level of

690
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:31,260
Technology are they doing that I don't

691
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,020
know uh they're they're they're they're

692
00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:37,200
being they're being insincere in some

693
00:26:42,110 --> 00:26:38,940
level in my opinion

694
00:26:44,930 --> 00:26:42,120
but look the new legislation has

695
00:26:47,330 --> 00:26:44,940
whistleblower protections and from what

696
00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:47,340
I've heard from Jeremy Corbell George

697
00:26:52,909 --> 00:26:50,460
Knapp and others

698
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:52,919
Tom uh not Tom Rogan but just others a

699
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:54,240
lot of people because I know people can

700
00:26:56,810 --> 00:26:55,500
be like oh George Knapp and Jimmy

701
00:26:58,610 --> 00:26:56,820
Corbell don't count well there's a lot

702
00:27:01,310 --> 00:26:58,620
of other people saying the same thing is

703
00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:01,320
that Congress has already been

704
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:03,720
um informed about at least one Legacy

705
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:06,960
UAP program Through official channels

706
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:10,200
so I mean this thing in my opinion it's

707
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:11,940
inevitably going to come out

708
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,740
um we're we're going to discover that

709
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,360
there's Legacy programs in my opinion

710
00:27:18,529 --> 00:27:17,279
and that they're funded a lot of money

711
00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:18,539
and they know a lot more about this

712
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:20,460
phenomena uh and I'm sure there's people

713
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:21,600
in the Pentagon that know that these

714
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:24,360
Legacy programs exist I know that if you

715
00:27:30,169 --> 00:27:25,440
read um

716
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,529
astronomer Bernard haish uh

717
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,279
he said that

718
00:27:39,529 --> 00:27:37,200
assuming he has good sources and that's

719
00:27:41,390 --> 00:27:39,539
the impression I get he said that atip

720
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:41,400
we're looking for a crash retrieval

721
00:27:45,950 --> 00:27:43,500
program and I've discovered it Through

722
00:27:47,149 --> 00:27:45,960
official channels but was not given

723
00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:47,159
access to it

724
00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:49,020
uh because they were not they didn't

725
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:51,179
have the clearance to do so

726
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,340
so these these Legacy these alleged

727
00:27:56,450 --> 00:27:54,720
Legacy programs because I'm not saying I

728
00:27:59,390 --> 00:27:56,460
know they exist do I believe they exist

729
00:28:02,210 --> 00:28:00,710
I think what people need to understand

730
00:28:07,549 --> 00:28:02,220
is

731
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:07,559
pressure

732
00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:11,220
um on the intelligence Community or the

733
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,580
Pentagon to come clean on what they know

734
00:28:18,049 --> 00:28:16,799
about this topic so when people say like

735
00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:18,059
well they've gotten away with their 70

736
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,740
years and get away with another 70 years

737
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,360
I would say wait a minute they've gotten

738
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,520
away with it for 70 years because there

739
00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:26,159
was almost no pressure that has changed

740
00:28:30,769 --> 00:28:27,960
over the last five years

741
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,779
and um I mean it's quite plausible that

742
00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:32,640
the reason that the Congress is so

743
00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:34,380
insanely aggressive on this is because

744
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,059
they already know they've already been

745
00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:38,159
told by whistleblowers behind the scenes

746
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:40,620
and that gave them the impetus

747
00:28:45,769 --> 00:28:43,200
to create this legislation some people

748
00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:45,779
want to argue oh it's just a mind virus

749
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:48,360
brother this is a bunch of UFO fans in

750
00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:50,820
the government that in that influence

751
00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:53,100
Congress to do this well okay fine if

752
00:28:57,169 --> 00:28:54,840
you think that's smart hey man more

753
00:28:58,490 --> 00:28:57,179
power to you right as I wrote one of my

754
00:29:00,350 --> 00:28:58,500
medium articles

755
00:29:02,810 --> 00:29:00,360
I don't remember the title but I

756
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:02,820
basically said look it is what it is

757
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,919
we don't we don't need to to be

758
00:29:09,769 --> 00:29:06,960
obnoxious with each other we can be like

759
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:09,779
just State your position let's see what

760
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:11,700
happens because I'm I'm of the

761
00:29:15,409 --> 00:29:13,559
persuasion that

762
00:29:17,810 --> 00:29:15,419
if in the next two three four years

763
00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:17,820
nothing comes about this

764
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:19,380
then Skeptics will have a much better

765
00:29:22,490 --> 00:29:20,880
argument but let's wait until that

766
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:22,500
happens because I feel like with the

767
00:29:26,029 --> 00:29:23,700
pressure now

768
00:29:27,769 --> 00:29:26,039
it has to come out

769
00:29:29,450 --> 00:29:27,779
it just there's just too much pressure

770
00:29:31,850 --> 00:29:29,460
so if there's a there there in terms of

771
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:31,860
like Legacy UFO programs that will come

772
00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:34,380
out now granted I think people are

773
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:35,700
saying like well Congress gets the final

774
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:37,860
say on whether or not they revealed to

775
00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:39,240
the public that there's Legacy programs

776
00:29:44,029 --> 00:29:41,220
well you know Chris Mellon was speaking

777
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,039
with um Senator Christian gillibrand

778
00:29:48,590 --> 00:29:46,080
because it was in his article and I

779
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,600
think it was his article and it was

780
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:51,120
reported that she was asked um if they

781
00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:52,860
discovered that there was a retrieval of

782
00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:55,260
a of a uip would you think the American

783
00:29:58,490 --> 00:29:56,760
people should know and she's like of

784
00:29:59,450 --> 00:29:58,500
course they should so yeah we'll see

785
00:30:02,810 --> 00:29:59,460
what happens

786
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,820
yeah absolutely now recently we saw the

787
00:30:08,750 --> 00:30:05,039
latest uh release from Jeremy Corbell

788
00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:08,760
the the mosul sphere on his new podcast

789
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:11,399
weaponized with George Knapp uh and you

790
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:12,779
were one of the first to put a really

791
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:15,000
good thorough video on that which uh you

792
00:30:18,590 --> 00:30:17,159
know we love to see but for anybody that

793
00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:18,600
maybe didn't happen to see that video

794
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,520
I'd love to just hear your thoughts on

795
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:23,760
the way it came out the actual what it

796
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,020
sort of said to you and what it

797
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,600
represented yeah so

798
00:30:34,490 --> 00:30:29,760
it was from a

799
00:30:36,169 --> 00:30:34,500
spy plane over mosul mosul Iraq

800
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:36,179
and

801
00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:40,320
wasn't looking for an orb or anything

802
00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:42,059
like that it was just doing what it does

803
00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:44,820
collecting intelligence and for four

804
00:30:51,649 --> 00:30:49,020
seconds this spherical object comes into

805
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:51,659
the viewfinder of the of the spy plane

806
00:30:59,389 --> 00:30:58,070
I think I don't know if it was four

807
00:31:01,010 --> 00:30:59,399
seconds but I think that the actual

808
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:01,020
footage is only a second or something

809
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:03,240
like that yeah I don't know where I'm

810
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:04,799
getting four seconds but it's a four

811
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,919
second clip okay so the sphere is one

812
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:09,600
second all right guys in seconds before

813
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:11,220
and after right gotcha

814
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,740
so I think it's very intriguing

815
00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:15,600
according to Jeremy Corbell as far as I

816
00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:22,130
um the people in charge of studying it

817
00:31:25,549 --> 00:31:24,360
consider unresolved officially within

818
00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:25,559
the United States government so that's

819
00:31:28,370 --> 00:31:27,659
interesting

820
00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:28,380
um

821
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:30,600
yeah I mean it could be a balloon but it

822
00:31:36,169 --> 00:31:34,440
also could be a UAP and one of the

823
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:36,179
reasons I say that is simply because if

824
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:37,740
you if you've read some of Joshua

825
00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:40,500
Boswell's work

826
00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:41,460
um

827
00:31:45,169 --> 00:31:44,039
he talked about him and Christopher

828
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:45,179
Sharp

829
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:47,100
were the first I think publication

830
00:31:52,669 --> 00:31:49,260
outside of Jeremy Corbell and George

831
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:52,679
Knapp to do an article on the mosul orb

832
00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:55,559
but even prior to that

833
00:32:01,970 --> 00:31:58,260
um Josh Boswell did an article

834
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:01,980
I think in the Daily Mail in which he

835
00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:04,320
talked about the upcoming UFO report

836
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:07,140
and he talked about how

837
00:32:14,029 --> 00:32:11,039
spheres orbs are being recorded

838
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:14,039
for various periods of time I think one

839
00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:15,480
citation was sometimes it's like 10

840
00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:16,260
minutes

841
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:17,880
and they and not only are they being

842
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:19,320
recorded but they're being recorded

843
00:32:21,769 --> 00:32:20,220
doing

844
00:32:24,169 --> 00:32:21,779
bizarre

845
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:24,179
flight Maneuvers that that should not be

846
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:27,480
possible and spheres by the way

847
00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:29,159
where's the propulsion system going to

848
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,500
be there's no wings

849
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,120
um it should not be able to maneuver in

850
00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:35,279
a sophisticated way so if they're

851
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,260
getting all this footage over and over

852
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:39,120
again if spheres maneuvering in

853
00:32:42,769 --> 00:32:40,860
sophisticated ways

854
00:32:44,750 --> 00:32:42,779
then it's quite plausible that they know

855
00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:44,760
that this is not from an adversary just

856
00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:47,880
like the Tic Tac just like the gimbal

857
00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:50,340
uh so so this only gets to the heart of

858
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:52,260
How Deep The cover-up if you want to

859
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,880
call it that I know that Stephen

860
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:55,679
bassett's real big on calling it a UFO

861
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,039
uh truth embargo but this only gets to

862
00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:00,960
how deep this might go I mean all of

863
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,940
this we're seeing right now

864
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,799
um disturbingly maybe only the tip of

865
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:06,240
the iceberg

866
00:33:09,649 --> 00:33:07,740
and we're really going to have to do a

867
00:33:11,090 --> 00:33:09,659
real Reckoning when disclosure comes in

868
00:33:13,370 --> 00:33:11,100
my opinion because

869
00:33:15,789 --> 00:33:13,380
the skeptical mantras that have been

870
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:15,799
going on for decades now

871
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:18,179
Finn Hanley and shout out to Finland

872
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:19,919
Hanley he knows them all by heart he's a

873
00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:21,659
he's an authority on on skeptical

874
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:25,019
mantras but one of them is it's there

875
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:26,940
it's the distances are too great so the

876
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:29,279
UFOs are not alien or

877
00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:30,000
um

878
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,620
governments are not good at keeping

879
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:33,120
secrets y'all

880
00:33:37,970 --> 00:33:35,580
if they knew there was a you you uh a

881
00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:37,980
non-human intelligence pervading our

882
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:39,899
world we would know about it there'd be

883
00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:41,820
leaks and on and on and go those Mantra

884
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,320
Mantra Mantra Mantra well what happens

885
00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:45,600
when all those mantras are wrong all of

886
00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:47,460
them oh we got to do a reckoning you

887
00:33:51,470 --> 00:33:48,539
know I'm saying we got to Humble

888
00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:51,480
ourselves and stop stop giving people so

889
00:33:55,009 --> 00:33:53,220
much credibility because it's just their

890
00:33:56,450 --> 00:33:55,019
like it's just like their opinion man

891
00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:56,460
you know what I'm saying

892
00:34:01,730 --> 00:33:58,980
so um yeah we got to do a reckoning

893
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,740
because it's it's disturbing uh how much

894
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:03,600
footage do they have how much sensor

895
00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:05,820
data do they I mean when you consider

896
00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:07,500
the potential layers of evidence they

897
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:10,679
have over many decades it might be so

898
00:34:16,849 --> 00:34:13,080
much that if we were to know

899
00:34:18,589 --> 00:34:16,859
we would just um get really depressed

900
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:18,599
uh because it just makes the cover up

901
00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:21,060
that much worse like it's not like it's

902
00:34:25,010 --> 00:34:22,980
not my perception and I could be wrong

903
00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:25,020
of course is that it's not like they're

904
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:26,460
suspicious we're not alone or they're

905
00:34:29,570 --> 00:34:27,960
getting hints we're not alone

906
00:34:31,129 --> 00:34:29,580
I think it's a lot worse than that I

907
00:34:33,889 --> 00:34:31,139
think that um

908
00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:33,899
they have silent well look John

909
00:34:38,329 --> 00:34:36,599
Ratcliffe former dni Director of

910
00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:38,339
National Intelligence explicitly said

911
00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:40,500
there's satellite imagery he explicitly

912
00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:43,260
said that uh these things will be

913
00:34:47,629 --> 00:34:44,700
detected going beyond the sound barrier

914
00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:47,639
with no Sonic Boom he explicitly said

915
00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:49,139
that

916
00:34:54,349 --> 00:34:51,540
uh

917
00:34:58,250 --> 00:34:54,359
that that we can't replicate these

918
00:35:00,349 --> 00:34:58,260
Maneuvers Barack Obama former eight-year

919
00:35:02,030 --> 00:35:00,359
term president said there's footage and

920
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,040
records of stuff doing things we can't

921
00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:04,320
easily understand

922
00:35:07,370 --> 00:35:05,160
um

923
00:35:08,810 --> 00:35:07,380
we have Luis Elizondo now right there's

924
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:08,820
just this this

925
00:35:12,589 --> 00:35:10,980
iteration of after iteration over

926
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,599
Decades of people coming out saying it's

927
00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:15,119
real on top of that we have witness

928
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:19,619
testimony from gazillions of people over

929
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:22,260
decades and decades with commonalities

930
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:25,260
in their testimony oh it's a flying

931
00:35:30,050 --> 00:35:27,540
saucer right Flying Saucer is a very

932
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,060
common shape why maybe because it's real

933
00:35:34,490 --> 00:35:31,920
you know what I'm saying maybe because

934
00:35:36,890 --> 00:35:34,500
it's real maybe that's why there's so

935
00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:36,900
many patterns y'all

936
00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:39,000
um it's all disturbing it is it is

937
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,619
extremely disturbing that this was able

938
00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:42,480
to persist

939
00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:43,859
um and you know

940
00:35:48,670 --> 00:35:46,859
shout out to um Kick plenty Twitter

941
00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:48,680
account

942
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,820
kikala I think I always mispronounce his

943
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:53,280
name great guy very smart he coined a

944
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:54,900
phrase and uh he deserves full credit

945
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:56,040
for that phrase I don't think anyone's

946
00:36:00,589 --> 00:35:57,300
ever come up with that phrase before so

947
00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:00,599
shout out to Kika kick kick plenty on um

948
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,940
on Twitter he he coined the phrase

949
00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:04,800
second disclosure we all know what the

950
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:07,260
first disclosure is the first disclosure

951
00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:10,680
is obviously Smoking Gun evidence

952
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:13,320
emerging changing the consensus on this

953
00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:14,820
presence the second disclosure is

954
00:36:20,329 --> 00:36:18,119
realizing how dumb we all are how many

955
00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:20,339
blind spots we all got you know we got

956
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,980
our Wi-Fi right we got our Starbucks you

957
00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:24,960
know we got our iPhones we got our we

958
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,300
got our our watches that are like

959
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:29,040
iPhones on our wrist

960
00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:32,460
but then we have an alien presence in my

961
00:36:35,569 --> 00:36:34,260
perception that's been here for decades

962
00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:35,579
it's pretty obvious since that's here

963
00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:36,599
we've had people coming out of the

964
00:36:40,910 --> 00:36:37,740
government for decades we have foia

965
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,920
documents that have been uh attained

966
00:36:45,530 --> 00:36:43,200
giving you a glimpse of how people on

967
00:36:46,609 --> 00:36:45,540
the inside view this this issue versus

968
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,619
how they

969
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:48,000
the impression they give on the outside

970
00:36:54,589 --> 00:36:51,480
right which uh there's a there's a a

971
00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:54,599
vast difference between those two

972
00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:58,140
um and we've had military pilots and and

973
00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:01,320
uh citizenry Pilots coming out for for

974
00:37:04,370 --> 00:37:02,700
decades talking about weird things

975
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:04,380
they've seen

976
00:37:07,550 --> 00:37:06,540
um we have patterns even when it comes

977
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:07,560
to people who claim they've gone

978
00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:10,800
abducted right seeing the same sort of

979
00:37:15,710 --> 00:37:12,660
um creatures and the same kind of

980
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:15,720
missing time experiences and um there's

981
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:18,720
even very subtle commonalities that too

982
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:22,740
I think Finn once mentioned to me how

983
00:37:25,730 --> 00:37:24,359
um sometimes these creatures will be

984
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:25,740
seen like hovering above the ground

985
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:27,720
right counter-intuitive stuff that's

986
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:28,859
getting repeated over and over again

987
00:37:33,530 --> 00:37:31,440
from disparate sources

988
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,540
um and then you have you know people

989
00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:35,520
having Poltergeist experiences out there

990
00:37:39,470 --> 00:37:37,140
seeing UAP and you this this happens

991
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:39,480
over and over again we we're just gonna

992
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:41,040
have to have you know and I want to make

993
00:37:46,730 --> 00:37:42,300
this very clear

994
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,740
while I do think that I had the the luck

995
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,720
if you want to call it to to see what's

996
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:50,640
going on to some extent that doesn't

997
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:52,380
mean I'm better than anybody else that's

998
00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:53,940
not the point of the second disclosure

999
00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:56,280
the point of the second disclosure is to

1000
00:38:01,210 --> 00:37:58,260
acknowledge that we all have blind spots

1001
00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:01,220
whether it's philosophical or moral

1002
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,140
or even maybe religious

1003
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,480
whatever we all have blind spots maybe

1004
00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:08,160
I'm right about UAP and wrong about

1005
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:09,300
other things and that's the second

1006
00:38:13,069 --> 00:38:11,160
disclosure when we come together eight

1007
00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:13,079
billion people and being like you know

1008
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:14,220
maybe we are just a bunch of talking

1009
00:38:17,870 --> 00:38:15,720
monkeys

1010
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:17,880
um this phenomena has been here forever

1011
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,400
governments have done campaigns to lead

1012
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:22,320
us astray

1013
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,780
and we fell for it and we didn't listen

1014
00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:26,640
to all these Witnesses because of

1015
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:28,440
skeptical mantras that don't necessarily

1016
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:29,760
make as much sense as they'd like to

1017
00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:32,220
believe I mean it yeah there's there's

1018
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:33,660
no Smoking Gun evidence but you know

1019
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,660
what I got news for you son our

1020
00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:39,119
civilization 10 000 years from now could

1021
00:38:42,829 --> 00:38:41,579
go to another civilization on our level

1022
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:42,839
right now and probably have the

1023
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,920
technology

1024
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,079
to ensure that No Smoking Gun is

1025
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:48,240
captured in the public domain I don't

1026
00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:49,560
know where artificial intelligence is

1027
00:38:52,910 --> 00:38:51,180
going to be 10 000 years from now who

1028
00:38:55,069 --> 00:38:52,920
knows what's what that will be capable

1029
00:38:56,270 --> 00:38:55,079
of then so yeah we you know so it comes

1030
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,280
down to the second disclosure that's

1031
00:39:00,770 --> 00:38:58,560
that's part of you know I I think that

1032
00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:00,780
when we do get disclosure it's not just

1033
00:39:04,430 --> 00:39:02,760
going to be a scientific discovery it's

1034
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:04,440
going to be a sociological Discovery

1035
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,760
it's going to be a psychological

1036
00:39:08,750 --> 00:39:07,440
Discovery it's going to be a spiritual

1037
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:08,760
discovery

1038
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:12,000
how did the human mind

1039
00:39:17,569 --> 00:39:15,839
become deceived by something that was

1040
00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:17,579
at the very minimum there was enough

1041
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:20,520
evidence there to take it to be curious

1042
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,200
about it or even just suspicious that

1043
00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:24,000
something's going on where was that

1044
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:26,220
curiosity where was that suspiciousness

1045
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:28,260
from the scientific Community why did

1046
00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:29,640
they not look through the telescope

1047
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,280
second disclosure baby all day long

1048
00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:34,079
but what about the general public you

1049
00:39:39,470 --> 00:39:36,780
know they I mean you still see a lot of

1050
00:39:41,390 --> 00:39:39,480
them just no interest whatsoever if we

1051
00:39:43,609 --> 00:39:41,400
do get disclosure in any form first

1052
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:43,619
disclose a second disclosure when they

1053
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:46,140
finally come to the subject how do we

1054
00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:48,660
how do we deal with them what do how do

1055
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:51,060
we ease them into it

1056
00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:52,800
well look

1057
00:39:56,030 --> 00:39:53,579
um

1058
00:39:59,210 --> 00:39:56,040
if I was

1059
00:40:01,130 --> 00:39:59,220
to be consulted by the U.S government

1060
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:01,140
you know those dealing with the uip

1061
00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:02,400
issue this is what I would tell them I

1062
00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:04,500
said I said look first of all

1063
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:06,540
so I would say look look

1064
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:07,560
um

1065
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:09,780
this is coming out right

1066
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:12,119
you know it's coming out I know it's

1067
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:14,280
coming out

1068
00:40:18,589 --> 00:40:16,200
when

1069
00:40:20,690 --> 00:40:18,599
Ryan graves in his Squadron and other

1070
00:40:26,030 --> 00:40:20,700
squadrons off the Seaboard upgraded from

1071
00:40:28,849 --> 00:40:26,040
the AP AP maybe 73 73 to 79 right that's

1072
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:28,859
it yep so when that happened now they're

1073
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:30,180
they're seeing all kinds of weird stuff

1074
00:40:35,569 --> 00:40:32,579
out there now I grant you

1075
00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:35,579
uh the 73 and 79 is probably classified

1076
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:37,619
and you can't get that you cannot

1077
00:40:42,410 --> 00:40:39,180
currently get that level of

1078
00:40:44,329 --> 00:40:42,420
detectability Technology from the

1079
00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:44,339
civilian world but there are still

1080
00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:46,260
Radars that you can buy and eventually

1081
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,220
we will have the 73 79 civilian version

1082
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:52,560
so what happens when scientists go out

1083
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:54,420
in their boats with these radar systems

1084
00:40:59,210 --> 00:40:56,280
and tweet

1085
00:41:00,410 --> 00:40:59,220
tweaked to specifically look for UAP and

1086
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,420
they're like oh these things are all

1087
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,119
over the place maybe maybe they are

1088
00:41:07,490 --> 00:41:05,520
Aboriginal to the Earth but they want to

1089
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,500
avoid Humanity whatever

1090
00:41:11,329 --> 00:41:09,119
people are going to connect the dots and

1091
00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:11,339
be like y'all knew about this so it's

1092
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:13,140
coming out whether we want it to come

1093
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:15,900
out or whether we don't so if I was to

1094
00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:17,460
consult with the American government I

1095
00:41:20,810 --> 00:41:18,780
would say look

1096
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:20,820
do you want the you want the public to

1097
00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:22,920
have mercy do you want them to have

1098
00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:24,599
compassion do you want them to be

1099
00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:26,280
understanding do you want that to be at

1100
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:28,500
the highest level possible or do you

1101
00:41:31,370 --> 00:41:30,060
want people to be as angry as possible

1102
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:31,380
if you want them to be as angry as

1103
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:33,960
possible and you want to disrupt

1104
00:41:37,609 --> 00:41:35,880
um civilization as much as you humanly

1105
00:41:39,170 --> 00:41:37,619
can muster baby then here's what you got

1106
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:39,180
to do keep putting it off keep

1107
00:41:45,530 --> 00:41:42,240
stonewalling uh keep engaging in

1108
00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:45,540
subterfuge uh keep manipulating The

1109
00:41:50,270 --> 00:41:47,160
public's perception of this keep

1110
00:41:52,990 --> 00:41:50,280
watering it down keep obfuscating right

1111
00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:53,000
and then maybe in 15 years

1112
00:41:59,690 --> 00:41:57,420
all [\h__\h] will break loose and every

1113
00:42:02,630 --> 00:41:59,700
human being will find a pitchfork and go

1114
00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:02,640
after you and anger will emerge like a

1115
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:05,880
like a volcano erupting and and

1116
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:09,119
this whole earth being covered by ashes

1117
00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:11,400
and fire and brimstone and lightning

1118
00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:13,800
baby we're angry man

1119
00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:16,619
when Congress came to you and they asked

1120
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,900
you for the truth

1121
00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:20,400
you didn't give it to them you had the

1122
00:42:24,290 --> 00:42:22,680
golden opportunity you you literally

1123
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:24,300
tried to cover this up until the

1124
00:42:28,130 --> 00:42:26,040
absolute last minute what's gonna happen

1125
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,140
people are gonna be pissed off

1126
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,480
so you want to mitigate that right so my

1127
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,640
my recommendation the government is just

1128
00:42:36,530 --> 00:42:34,800
let's do this baby tell the world we're

1129
00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:36,540
not alone let's do this give us a piece

1130
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:38,520
of Smoking Gun evidence allow the

1131
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:40,020
scientific Community to move on with it

1132
00:42:46,750 --> 00:42:44,040
our models of our world are wrong and

1133
00:42:48,829 --> 00:42:46,760
they are so wrong that it's it's

1134
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,839
mind-bogglingly wrong we'll have to

1135
00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:50,880
re-examine everything we know about our

1136
00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:53,700
Earth and our universe it was going to

1137
00:42:58,609 --> 00:42:55,740
be the greatest paradigm shift in human

1138
00:43:02,030 --> 00:42:58,619
history let's get it on

1139
00:43:04,430 --> 00:43:02,040
um but I would not I I'm not I'm not I

1140
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,440
don't want people to be I

1141
00:43:09,770 --> 00:43:06,720
I just want the truth

1142
00:43:13,309 --> 00:43:09,780
um I'm not here to create anger towards

1143
00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:13,319
any government or any UFO program

1144
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:16,020
um as long as they continue in the right

1145
00:43:22,970 --> 00:43:19,140
direction now they keep stonewalling and

1146
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,980
lying and leading people astray

1147
00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:24,960
I'm gonna feel like it's getting more

1148
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,520
and more Justified for them to be pissed

1149
00:43:29,390 --> 00:43:27,599
off but if they take this golden

1150
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,400
opportunity and do the right thing and

1151
00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:31,920
show and apologize and I think they

1152
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,540
should apologize I really doubt they

1153
00:43:37,609 --> 00:43:35,760
will but I it's I saw a clip very

1154
00:43:38,990 --> 00:43:37,619
recently with Richard Dolan where he's

1155
00:43:40,849 --> 00:43:39,000
like you know you kind of have to

1156
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:40,859
apologize right you lied to us about

1157
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,900
something of this magnitude you kind of

1158
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:44,400
have to apologize I think they should

1159
00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:45,720
apologize

1160
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:47,640
they should show some degree of

1161
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:49,200
vulnerability because when you do that

1162
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:51,180
that's when people feel merciful when

1163
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:54,119
you try to water down the severity of

1164
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:55,619
the situation that's when people get

1165
00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:56,640
pissed off

1166
00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:57,780
um and I don't want people to get pissed

1167
00:44:02,210 --> 00:43:59,460
off right I don't want people to get

1168
00:44:03,770 --> 00:44:02,220
angry I want people to to to be very

1169
00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:03,780
accommodating so every time the

1170
00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:05,400
government gets us gives us something

1171
00:44:09,050 --> 00:44:07,500
Pat them on the back and be grateful for

1172
00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:09,060
it while while pressuring them

1173
00:44:13,490 --> 00:44:11,099
simultaneously but I'm not like I would

1174
00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:13,500
never promote like I'm not let me put

1175
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:14,579
this way I'm not trying to throw the

1176
00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:15,960
government under the bus I just want

1177
00:44:19,609 --> 00:44:17,940
them to do the right thing yeah and when

1178
00:44:22,609 --> 00:44:19,619
they do the right thing do I think we we

1179
00:44:24,170 --> 00:44:22,619
should uh throw them under the bus not

1180
00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:24,180
necessarily I think we should just uh

1181
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:26,280
try to try to have as much Mercy as we

1182
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:28,380
can frankly and move forward and not get

1183
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,900
caught up in anger and resentment

1184
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,400
because that's not going to help us now

1185
00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:33,839
we have work to do and that work is

1186
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:35,160
figuring out where the hell are these

1187
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:36,780
things coming from who's behind the

1188
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,420
wheel what is there uh what is their

1189
00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:41,280
intention

1190
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:43,380
and and that kind of and how does their

1191
00:44:48,109 --> 00:44:45,660
technology work and how can we figure

1192
00:44:49,849 --> 00:44:48,119
out their technology to improve uh the

1193
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,859
The Human Condition on this planet and

1194
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:52,079
on and on it goes that's what we got we

1195
00:44:55,069 --> 00:44:53,520
need to focus on with disclosure Dawns

1196
00:44:56,329 --> 00:44:55,079
not getting angry at the government but

1197
00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:56,339
hopefully they do it sooner than later

1198
00:45:01,370 --> 00:44:59,700
because the longer the longer they uh

1199
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:01,380
delay with this

1200
00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:03,720
the more difficult it is for people

1201
00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:06,180
the more difficult difficulty people are

1202
00:45:09,890 --> 00:45:08,819
going to have at giving them Mercy if

1203
00:45:12,290 --> 00:45:09,900
you will

1204
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,300
yeah absolutely and now with the UAP

1205
00:45:16,010 --> 00:45:14,460
report being quite disappointing for

1206
00:45:18,829 --> 00:45:16,020
most people who are sort of following

1207
00:45:20,809 --> 00:45:18,839
this subject or researching and then you

1208
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,819
add in that the whistleblowers the

1209
00:45:24,109 --> 00:45:22,560
meeting with Congress behind closed

1210
00:45:26,030 --> 00:45:24,119
doors it seems that a lot of this is

1211
00:45:28,490 --> 00:45:26,040
still being kept away from the public

1212
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,500
eye do you think that we should be

1213
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:30,720
seeing or possibly are even likely to

1214
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,520
see more public Congressional hearings

1215
00:45:37,550 --> 00:45:34,800
and if you were to put yourself in the

1216
00:45:40,730 --> 00:45:37,560
the the seat of a congressman who would

1217
00:45:42,109 --> 00:45:40,740
you subpoena to appear and you know to

1218
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,119
be asked the questions

1219
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,640
yeah I would subpoena Luis Elizondo I

1220
00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:46,319
was subpoena David fravor I would

1221
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,040
subpoena uh the pilots that um captured

1222
00:45:54,349 --> 00:45:52,560
the the gimbal footage

1223
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:54,359
um I mean that's just for starters I

1224
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:55,800
would subpoena some of the witnesses

1225
00:46:03,170 --> 00:45:58,560
from nuclear nuclear flyovers and

1226
00:46:06,010 --> 00:46:03,180
tampering over installations from UAP

1227
00:46:08,569 --> 00:46:06,020
uh that's that's just for starters

1228
00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:08,579
uh and

1229
00:46:14,329 --> 00:46:11,880
yeah and I I'm hopeful that because like

1230
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:14,339
I'm hopeful that we'll get more

1231
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:15,900
um evidence released too because I think

1232
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,720
that needs to happen like give us the

1233
00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:21,119
full gimbal video for example give us

1234
00:46:24,650 --> 00:46:23,220
the full Fleer one video or higher

1235
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:24,660
resolution like

1236
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:27,900
the part of the problem is

1237
00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:30,180
you can still string the public along

1238
00:46:34,670 --> 00:46:32,940
while giving them evidence and a

1239
00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:34,680
manifestation of that would be the Fleer

1240
00:46:38,329 --> 00:46:37,140
one video just as an example yeah some

1241
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:38,339
some would tell me I'm wrong someone

1242
00:46:41,569 --> 00:46:39,839
tell me everyone's misremembering well

1243
00:46:44,030 --> 00:46:41,579
you know what have fun with that we can

1244
00:46:46,609 --> 00:46:44,040
do agree to disagree I do think there is

1245
00:46:48,589 --> 00:46:46,619
a high probability that there was a

1246
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:48,599
higher resolution uh Fear One video

1247
00:46:53,390 --> 00:46:51,480
because it wasn't just David fravor who

1248
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:53,400
recollects seeing appendages under under

1249
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,480
the object it was other people I that

1250
00:47:01,970 --> 00:46:59,520
saw the original I think Alex Dietrich

1251
00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:01,980
also has mentioned the appendages

1252
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,960
now why is that important it's important

1253
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,520
because

1254
00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:07,680
with what they've given us now it makes

1255
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:10,200
it too easy for Skeptics to come up with

1256
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:11,220
their bubbles

1257
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,760
in a manner that that draws

1258
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,800
um question of what we're looking at and

1259
00:47:19,010 --> 00:47:18,240
and by the way I would support that

1260
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:19,020
right

1261
00:47:21,890 --> 00:47:21,000
they should because it's not Smoking Gun

1262
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:21,900
evidence

1263
00:47:28,030 --> 00:47:24,540
but if you give us higher Fidelity uh

1264
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,040
videos like higher higher quality videos

1265
00:47:32,089 --> 00:47:30,480
then then we can start moving forward

1266
00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:32,099
because even the Skeptics would be like

1267
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:33,420
oh my that's uh that's much more

1268
00:47:36,109 --> 00:47:34,920
challenging than the first couple videos

1269
00:47:37,309 --> 00:47:36,119
they gave us well maybe there is

1270
00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:37,319
something to it well that's the

1271
00:47:41,809 --> 00:47:39,720
conversation we need as a population if

1272
00:47:43,790 --> 00:47:41,819
it's out there for God's sakes what are

1273
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:43,800
you doing give us the good stuff so we

1274
00:47:49,609 --> 00:47:46,200
can progress the conversation don't give

1275
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,619
us subpar footage so that we can you

1276
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:51,599
know debate it and this brings me into

1277
00:47:56,329 --> 00:47:54,960
something else Gary Nolan was

1278
00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:56,339
interviewed

1279
00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:00,180
on the merge podcast with uh Ryan Graves

1280
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,760
and he made an amazing point he said

1281
00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:05,040
wait a minute there's that there by

1282
00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:08,220
keeping this secret there's it so

1283
00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:10,020
the the the military and the

1284
00:48:13,730 --> 00:48:11,640
intelligence Community likes to harp on

1285
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:13,740
well we need to keep this secret because

1286
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,780
it could

1287
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,000
be upsetting for our institutions

1288
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:20,160
religions and and the public and so

1289
00:48:23,569 --> 00:48:21,180
forth

1290
00:48:25,130 --> 00:48:23,579
but what about all the witnesses who now

1291
00:48:27,230 --> 00:48:25,140
are thinking they're going crazy or

1292
00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:27,240
they're or they're unstable or they're

1293
00:48:30,530 --> 00:48:29,339
hallucinating and they're questioning

1294
00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:30,540
themselves

1295
00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:33,720
and further sociologically

1296
00:48:37,010 --> 00:48:35,460
Society is telling them that they're

1297
00:48:38,930 --> 00:48:37,020
crazy what does that do to their

1298
00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:38,940
self-esteem what does that do to their

1299
00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:42,599
Mental Health on various levels like

1300
00:48:46,849 --> 00:48:45,060
okay we've we've had enough of of you

1301
00:48:50,089 --> 00:48:46,859
being fearful of how society would

1302
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:50,099
respond now we need to focus on

1303
00:48:52,970 --> 00:48:51,599
what's happening to people that are

1304
00:48:56,030 --> 00:48:52,980
seeing these things and being told

1305
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,040
they're crazy like that's also a risk

1306
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,800
factor that can't be good that's not

1307
00:49:02,569 --> 00:49:01,200
that's not good for them and it's it's

1308
00:49:04,609 --> 00:49:02,579
not good for our scientific Community

1309
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:04,619
because our scientific Community is

1310
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,240
operating under assumptions that are

1311
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:08,640
utterly false I mean that's that's

1312
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:11,520
detrimental to say the least for having

1313
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:13,500
a grasp of reality so you've you're

1314
00:49:18,770 --> 00:49:15,960
literally holding something back

1315
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,780
that is facilitating our scientific

1316
00:49:22,609 --> 00:49:20,640
understanding of the universe to be

1317
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:22,619
flawed that's not that cannot go on much

1318
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:25,440
longer that's not good for Humanity I

1319
00:49:29,690 --> 00:49:27,420
don't see any mental gymnastics that uh

1320
00:49:31,550 --> 00:49:29,700
that that can justify that particularly

1321
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,560
when it's obvious that this is going to

1322
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:34,079
come out sooner or later anyways so just

1323
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,060
make it sooner rather than later

1324
00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:38,400
yeah now when this this show actually

1325
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:41,099
goes out to to YouTube and everything I

1326
00:49:46,370 --> 00:49:43,560
think by then we may have had some more

1327
00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:46,380
testimony through Jeremy Corbell from a

1328
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:49,140
witness from the 2019 let's say drone

1329
00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:50,700
swarms I don't know how else to phrase

1330
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:53,880
it right now from off the West Coast now

1331
00:49:57,650 --> 00:49:55,920
there's a lot of controversy surrounding

1332
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,660
them like their low information Zone

1333
00:50:00,890 --> 00:49:59,280
kind of

1334
00:50:03,170 --> 00:50:00,900
incidents

1335
00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:03,180
um what are your thoughts on that and

1336
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:04,920
are you looking forward to hearing from

1337
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,140
more more uh with whistleblowers or

1338
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:09,599
servicemen that were that were there

1339
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,240
yeah well you know I know I think Tom

1340
00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:14,640
wrote a journalist Tom Rogan

1341
00:50:18,109 --> 00:50:16,740
I think of the Washington examiner if

1342
00:50:20,030 --> 00:50:18,119
I'm not mistaken

1343
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:20,040
he has said that like

1344
00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:21,960
he's convinced that some of this stuff

1345
00:50:26,270 --> 00:50:24,180
is non-human intelligence and he will

1346
00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:26,280
he's lit he said if I recall correctly

1347
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,900
that he would stake his entire

1348
00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:30,000
reputation on that

1349
00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:32,700
but he says with the 2019 events he's

1350
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:34,380
not so sure right it could go either way

1351
00:50:37,609 --> 00:50:35,520
it could be Chinese or it could be

1352
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,619
something weird yeah and I assume that

1353
00:50:41,870 --> 00:50:39,599
he has better connections than I do for

1354
00:50:44,569 --> 00:50:41,880
sure so I find that interesting but what

1355
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:44,579
I will say is um

1356
00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:48,660
I I still think the 2019 events with the

1357
00:50:53,630 --> 00:50:51,180
Drone swarm still represented a

1358
00:50:54,770 --> 00:50:53,640
tremendous mystery because the

1359
00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:54,780
government

1360
00:51:00,890 --> 00:50:56,760
won't even say where they're coming from

1361
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,900
now with the with the I think they were

1362
00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:02,160
explicit that they don't know where

1363
00:51:07,849 --> 00:51:04,440
they're coming from so how is it that

1364
00:51:09,950 --> 00:51:07,859
there are potentially up to a hundred

1365
00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:09,960
drones I mean I know this is what corbel

1366
00:51:14,089 --> 00:51:11,640
focuses on maybe it happened over weeks

1367
00:51:16,370 --> 00:51:14,099
but he focuses on a three-day span

1368
00:51:18,109 --> 00:51:16,380
where he claims there was at least a

1369
00:51:21,049 --> 00:51:18,119
hundred drones

1370
00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:21,059
swarming 10 different warships over a

1371
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:23,700
hundred mile radius I think over three

1372
00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:27,839
days and yet with all of the sensor

1373
00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:28,440
um

1374
00:51:32,329 --> 00:51:30,780
data collecting mechanisms that these

1375
00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:32,339
these warships have they still don't

1376
00:51:36,109 --> 00:51:34,740
know where they're launched from they

1377
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:36,119
don't know who the controllers are and

1378
00:51:41,089 --> 00:51:37,079
they don't know where they're going

1379
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:43,250
um so so we need to learn more about it

1380
00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:44,520
because

1381
00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:46,140
let's say it's not non-human

1382
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:47,940
intelligence

1383
00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:50,579
who has these capabilities

1384
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:52,619
how how is it that a country like China

1385
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:56,640
or Russia has the capability to swarm

1386
00:51:59,450 --> 00:51:57,900
warships

1387
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,460
spy on them

1388
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:01,920
and not one of them gets shot down

1389
00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:04,559
not one of them gets shot down so what

1390
00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:06,180
kind of breakthroughs have they made to

1391
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:07,800
be able to do that without the United

1392
00:52:13,069 --> 00:52:10,140
States government having even a whisper

1393
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,079
or hint of where it's coming from when

1394
00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:14,880
it comes to the ones that are unresolved

1395
00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:16,440
obviously the ones that are resolved

1396
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:17,640
they're different but the ones that

1397
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,400
could are still unresolved to this point

1398
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:23,040
I think it is possible that some of this

1399
00:52:30,109 --> 00:52:26,640
stuff may be very anomalous and not as

1400
00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:30,119
simplistic as coming from China Russia

1401
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,220
um and by the way why would that not

1402
00:52:36,829 --> 00:52:35,280
make sense when as an example

1403
00:52:39,230 --> 00:52:36,839
I remember reading the New York Times

1404
00:52:40,970 --> 00:52:39,240
article I think it came out in May of

1405
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:40,980
2019

1406
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:43,440
that broke the story about

1407
00:52:48,890 --> 00:52:46,200
Ryan Graves and Danny a coin and various

1408
00:52:52,490 --> 00:52:48,900
squadrons off the Eastern seaboard from

1409
00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:52,500
the summer of I think 2014 to March of

1410
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:54,660
2015 or something like that

1411
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:58,800
they were seeing things almost every day

1412
00:53:04,010 --> 00:53:02,160
so could that be related to the Swarms

1413
00:53:06,589 --> 00:53:04,020
when it comes to those warships off the

1414
00:53:08,089 --> 00:53:06,599
West Coast it could be uh I mean at the

1415
00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:08,099
end of the day we're just not alone

1416
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:12,420
right and so when you have this new um

1417
00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:14,940
Paradigm or this this new this new model

1418
00:53:19,370 --> 00:53:17,640
of reality then it's not far-fetched

1419
00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:19,380
anymore that's something that a worship

1420
00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:21,000
encounters could be coming from a magnum

1421
00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:22,380
intelligence which is one of the reasons

1422
00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:24,540
we really need disclosure right so that

1423
00:53:29,089 --> 00:53:26,760
the waters are not muddied any longer

1424
00:53:30,589 --> 00:53:29,099
it's not it's not it's Chinese and

1425
00:53:32,690 --> 00:53:30,599
Russian

1426
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:32,700
or it's a misidentification maybe it's

1427
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:34,740
Chinese Russian or it's part of that

1428
00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:37,020
this presence that permeates our our

1429
00:53:41,150 --> 00:53:38,520
biosphere

1430
00:53:43,069 --> 00:53:41,160
absolutely and I mean I I we all want

1431
00:53:44,270 --> 00:53:43,079
disclosure but until we get there it's

1432
00:53:46,370 --> 00:53:44,280
these small Mysteries that we've

1433
00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:46,380
discussed today that keep me going

1434
00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:47,940
personally and I'm sure that goes for a

1435
00:53:51,950 --> 00:53:50,040
lot of other people Ryan thank you so

1436
00:53:53,329 --> 00:53:51,960
much for joining me I really appreciate

1437
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,339
it before you go please tell everyone

1438
00:53:57,530 --> 00:53:55,680
where they can find you hey Vinnie this

1439
00:53:58,670 --> 00:53:57,540
is this is a lot of fun I really enjoyed

1440
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,680
it I think it was one of my better

1441
00:54:02,329 --> 00:54:01,440
performances so uh thank you for that

1442
00:54:05,049 --> 00:54:02,339
um

1443
00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:05,059
you can find me at post-disclosure World

1444
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:07,380
on YouTube

1445
00:54:11,690 --> 00:54:10,260
and on Twitter you can find me at post

1446
00:54:14,030 --> 00:54:11,700
disclosure

1447
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,040
and I'm

1448
00:54:19,849 --> 00:54:16,559
persistently uploading videos covering

1449
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:19,859
uh UFO news and and stuff like that so

1450
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:21,540
uh thank you so much Vinnie it was a

1451
00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:23,520
really good time my pleasure thank you

1452
00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:24,780
again and thank you to everyone for

1453
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,700
watching I really appreciate it hit the